Comments for Bridging the Grace Divide http://todddeaver.wordpress.com a friendly critique of traditional theology by one of its former proponents Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:06:07 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Does 2 John 9-11 prove the traditional doctrine of fellowship? by obrichardson http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/does-2-john-9-11-prove-the-traditional-doctrine-of-fellowship/#comment-837 obrichardson Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:06:07 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?p=116#comment-837 Well said brother. Dr. Dallas Burdette has written on II John 9-11. He did a masterful job explicating from context what the "teaching of Christ' was about, proving emphatically and unequivocally that it was pertaining to the deity of Christ. God Bless! If you get a chance, check out my blog. www.obrichardson.wordpress.com Well said brother. Dr. Dallas Burdette has written on II John 9-11. He did a masterful job explicating from context what the “teaching of Christ’ was about, proving emphatically and unequivocally that it was pertaining to the deity of Christ. God Bless!

If you get a chance, check out my blog. http://www.obrichardson.wordpress.com

]]> Comment on My Book by Gospel Advocate, November 2009, part 1 « The Blog Prophet http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/my-book/#comment-835 Gospel Advocate, November 2009, part 1 « The Blog Prophet Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:21:44 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?page_id=74#comment-835 [...] reading John Mark Hicks and Bobby Valentine’s great book on Lipscomb and Harding, or even Todd Deaver’s works.  Although, it is highly unlikely any of those brothers would be published in the [...] [...] reading John Mark Hicks and Bobby Valentine’s great book on Lipscomb and Harding, or even Todd Deaver’s works.  Although, it is highly unlikely any of those brothers would be published in the [...]

]]> Comment on My Book by Roger L http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/my-book/#comment-832 Roger L Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:26:36 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?page_id=74#comment-832 Just because we have failed in practicing consistency fellowship does not mean we should not strive for it. Neither does it mean there is no standard for understanding it. There is a standard, the Bible. All the early churches had problems, and that cannot be denied; however the Holy Spirit gave instructions on how to handle those problems and ultimately to mark and withdraw from those who "cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned." (Rom 16:17). What 'doctrine"? There was not one doctrine in Rome and another in Ephesus, etc. All were to continue in "the apostles docrtine" (Acts 2: 42) as the Jerusalem church did in the beginning. That doctrine had is basis in the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ and guidance by the Holy Spirit (John 14:25-26; 15:26-27; 16;13-15; 17:20-21; I Cor. 14:37. etc) The "doctrine of Christ" (II Jn. 9) is more than objective, it is also subjective in that what was believed about Christ affected how they "walked in truth" (v4). The doctrine of Christ includes all about Him and all that He taught. Anything that apostles taught was the doctrine of Christ. It came from God for the Christian faith. Reading some ramblings here, one could distinctly get the idea that there is no such thing as clear truth, error, or false teachers. I have not read Todd's book, but I do agree that there must be consistency. But we must be very, very careful not to leave the door open to any and ever thing that we do not agree on with a goal to agree to disagree. When Jesus made it plain that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the kingdom of heaven, He meant exactly that and excluded all others. We need to spend out time understanding the will of the Father and making our best efforts to the doing of it and less time philosophizing on unity in failing to do it. Unity is based on following the will of God, not failing to do it! "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth. "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. (John 17:17-21) Roger Just because we have failed in practicing consistency fellowship does not mean we should not strive for it. Neither does it mean there is no standard for understanding it. There is a standard, the Bible. All the early churches had problems, and that cannot be denied; however the Holy Spirit gave instructions on how to handle those problems and ultimately to mark and withdraw from those who “cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned.” (Rom 16:17). What ‘doctrine”? There was not one doctrine in Rome and another in Ephesus, etc. All were to continue in “the apostles docrtine” (Acts 2: 42) as the Jerusalem church did in the beginning. That doctrine had is basis in the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ and guidance by the Holy Spirit (John 14:25-26; 15:26-27; 16;13-15; 17:20-21; I Cor. 14:37. etc) The “doctrine of Christ” (II Jn. 9) is more than objective, it is also subjective in that what was believed about Christ affected how they “walked in truth” (v4). The doctrine of Christ includes all about Him and all that He taught. Anything that apostles taught was the doctrine of Christ. It came from God for the Christian faith. Reading some ramblings here, one could distinctly get the idea that there is no such thing as clear truth, error, or false teachers. I have not read Todd’s book, but I do agree that there must be consistency. But we must be very, very careful not to leave the door open to any and ever thing that we do not agree on with a goal to agree to disagree. When Jesus made it plain that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the kingdom of heaven, He meant exactly that and excluded all others. We need to spend out time understanding the will of the Father and making our best efforts to the doing of it and less time philosophizing on unity in failing to do it. Unity is based on following the will of God, not failing to do it!
“Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. (John 17:17-21)
Roger

]]> Comment on My Book by What I believe about grace, works, and salvation « Planned Spontaneity http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/my-book/#comment-827 What I believe about grace, works, and salvation « Planned Spontaneity Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:59:40 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?page_id=74#comment-827 [...] Deaver has written a book called Facing Our Failure chronicling the abysmal failure that the “conservative” Churches of Christ to come to [...] [...] Deaver has written a book called Facing Our Failure chronicling the abysmal failure that the “conservative” Churches of Christ to come to [...]

]]> Comment on GraceConversation Is Underway by Keith Brenton http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/graceconversation-is-underway/#comment-810 Keith Brenton Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:29:45 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?p=213#comment-810 *Sigh.* I wish Grace Conversation could have turned out differently. *Sigh.*

I wish Grace Conversation could have turned out differently.

]]> Comment on My Book by Ken Sublett http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/my-book/#comment-789 Ken Sublett Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:16:04 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?page_id=74#comment-789 Todd, I understand why you don't want the Biblical view. Too bad that people make themselves visible and audible but will not tolerate any questioning. I have noticed that when preachers get certified and elders get installed:-) they no longer want to be challenged. You are terribly wrong and I would not expect one to know too much from the university level. Good luck, you will truly need it Todd, I understand why you don’t want the Biblical view.

Too bad that people make themselves visible and audible but will not tolerate any questioning. I have noticed that when preachers get certified and elders get installed:-) they no longer want to be challenged.

You are terribly wrong and I would not expect one to know too much from the university level.

Good luck, you will truly need it

]]> Comment on My Book by Instrumental Music: Missing More Than Music by Danny Corbitt, Introduction « One In Jesus.info http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/my-book/#comment-780 Instrumental Music: Missing More Than Music by Danny Corbitt, Introduction « One In Jesus.info Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:02:43 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?page_id=74#comment-780 [...] as Todd Deaver’s Facing Our Failure destroys one of the linchpins of conservative theology — their utterly absent theology of [...] [...] as Todd Deaver’s Facing Our Failure destroys one of the linchpins of conservative theology — their utterly absent theology of [...]

]]> Comment on About by M. Fearghail http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/about/#comment-776 M. Fearghail Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:56:14 +0000 #comment-776 Todd, thank you for your willingness to share your ideas and to open yourself to the ensuing critique. I attended TBC one year, before moving on. I had the honor of studying under your grandfather, whom I respected greatly, and your father, whose graciousness I appreciated. The need for open examination of the standard hermeneutical approach, in a spirit of grace, is much needed. The shallow, "defend the faith" mentality, without a willingness to dig deeper, is quite frustrating. Todd, thank you for your willingness to share your ideas and to open yourself to the ensuing critique.

I attended TBC one year, before moving on. I had the honor of studying under your grandfather, whom I respected greatly, and your father, whose graciousness I appreciated.

The need for open examination of the standard hermeneutical approach, in a spirit of grace, is much needed. The shallow, “defend the faith” mentality, without a willingness to dig deeper, is quite frustrating.

]]> Comment on GraceConversation Is Underway by Todd Deaver http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/graceconversation-is-underway/#comment-724 Todd Deaver Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:19:26 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?p=213#comment-724 I think we're about to make some headway, Keith. Greg is finally starting to show his hand, so we'll have something to evaluate/respond to soon. I think we’re about to make some headway, Keith. Greg is finally starting to show his hand, so we’ll have something to evaluate/respond to soon.

]]> Comment on GraceConversation Is Underway by Keith Brenton http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/graceconversation-is-underway/#comment-723 Keith Brenton Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:00:28 +0000 http://todddeaver.wordpress.com/?p=213#comment-723 It's interesting reading ... do you feel like it's getting anyplace? It’s interesting reading … do you feel like it’s getting anyplace?

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